• http://www.facebook.com/people/Dare-Obasanjo/500050028 Dare Obasanjo

    It seems like just this morning Danny was arguing that it is false to say Google tells Android OEMs what default search engines are acceptable. Now we hear Google can even dictate what OS is acceptable to ship on their handsets.

    I’m confused Danny. Can you help me out here?

  • http://tracks.ranea.org/ Watts

    I can help you out. Those are two different statements that are true or false independently of one another. See:

    Google tells Android OEMs what default search engines are acceptable: false

    Google tells OHA members that they can’t ship non-Google Android handsets: true

    There, wasn’t that simple?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mishichan-Twochann/100000923643480 Mishichan Twochann

    Seems Closed Handset Alliance

  • fransfebri

    I think OEMs can have phones with Android and Aliyun, but if they want to have a true Android phone (with Google ecosystem), they can’t make another phone that is compatible with Android.
    I think it’s only fair if Acer insisted on making phone with Aliyun, they should leave the OHA and not making phone with Google ecosystem.
    Why people have a hard time understanding this, I don’t know.
    Without joining OHA, they can still make an Android AOSP phone just without GApps.

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    I sure can, Dare. Microsoft’s chief economist said this:

    “Microsoft tried to make deals to become the default search engine on mobile devices. On Android, that was rendered impossible. They were told, Android makers, and carriers, were told, that you cannot use another default besides Google”

    I wrote a post explaining why this was false. I know you read it. Part of the post, in fact, explained how she herself recanted that statement after making it, but only after a Google spokesperson called her out on it.

    So it wasn’t just me saying it was false. It was your own chief economic officer saying so. Is that clear enough? Perhaps it’s not clear because Microsoft-backed FairSearch hasn’t updated its own post with that claim on it?

    Nothing with the Acer action an OHA changes this. I’ve yet to hear anything from Microsoft or Google to say that the only way you can be deemed Android compatible is to have Google search.

    I can also see that right now, Verizon is selling the Casio G’zOne Commando, an Android-based phone (but without Android branding) that uses Bing as the default search and which has access to Google Play (so it is apparently deemed Android-compatible).

    You aren’t confused. You’re concerned that Google might use its leverage over Android to its own gains. I share those concerns, just as I can have similar concerns over what Apple might do with its own platform and what Microsoft does with its own platform.

    Those concerns should be voiced. I’ve raised them before, and I raised them in my post yesterday and in this post there. But the concerns shouldn’t go to Microsoft just making stuff up, as happened yesterday. You hardly need to do that to attack Google. When it happens, it just makes Microsoft look bad.

  • dilharo

    Andy Rubin originally shared this post:
    We were surprised to read Alibaba Group’s chief strategy officer Zeng Ming’s quote “We want to be the Android of China” when in fact the Aliyun OS incorporates the Android runtime and was apparently derived from Android.

    Based on our analysis of the apps available athttp://apps.aliyun.com, the platform tries to, but does not succeed in being compatible.

    It’s easy to be Android compatible, the OHA supplies all the tools and details on how to do it. Check out this blog post that explains how we think about compatibility and how it relates to the ecosystem we worked hard to build:

  • Bryce Etheridge

    To be clear it looks like the blue-grey typeface logo is off limits, but the little green droid is creative commons, and using the Android brand name in general is fairly permissible as long as you are not using the terms alone..


  • Uvindu Perera

    Well if you are making an Android competitor using Android’s code (i.e.
    Aliyun), it’s crazy to allow them things like early access to source code, tools etc. They can basically release Google’s new updates earlier than Google to the public can call it’s their innovation. So essentially if Acer wants to go with Aliyun, they should opt out of OHA.

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    I’m having a problem understanding what your problem is with the article.

    You seem to be suggesting it doesn’t make it clear that “open” Android isn’t necessarily open and that Google exercises a lot of control over it. If so, I thought that was pretty covered.

  • math notes

    thanks @wilhelm_reuch:disqus for your great comment